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We agree that tobacco, and excessive amounts of coffee, tea, salt, and spices are harmful to the body, as well as excessive amounts of intoxicating beverages there are many Scriptures on this topic.

However, God created the alcoholic fermentation process. The Savior drank wine not grape juice , Matthew , John Paul told Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach's sake, I Timothy When SDA's are confronted with the Bible facts on wine, they are totally dishonest and try to say that the Greek word for wine, oinos , means "grape juice.

Let us be honest with God's Holy Word! White's writings are held to be as inspired as Isaiah and all the prophets of old.

Yet she contradicts the Bible and herself. Seventh-day Adventists today are not honest. White's published vision says that we are positively not to eat flesh meats.

Yet the SDA church does not follow this teaching. A recent Adventist Review magazine "Friendship Issue" states that she merely gave "advice to abstain from flesh foods" and "not all members have adopted a non flesh diet" page If many members of the church founded by Mrs.

White do not even believe what she said, when she claimed infallibility, why should I believe Ellen G. White at all? I'd rather believe I Timothy , "Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,.

Seventh-day Adventists claim to be very health conscious. They speak of the body as the "temple of the Holy Spirit. Like Adventists, we believe in prayer and anointing the sick.

But there is a vast difference between us and Adventists on the subject of health. Adventists operate a series of hospitals that dispense harmful drugs, are said to perform abortions, perform needless or destroying operations, and in short, are little different than the rest of modern "health science" which is founded on pagan Egyptian and Greek medicine.

The true way of the Creator Yahweh is the way of obedience to His laws of cleanliness in diet and total living, and of faith in Him to heal you when sick.

We should seek and use natural substances such as herbs, which the Creator has given for our health "herb for the service of man," Psalm Read our book, Biblical Health and Healing.

On the other hand is the way of "doing your own thing," and then going to medical "science" to operate on you, or to pump harmful drugs into your body, in order to repair the damage.

Those who know how drugs and vaccines are made and of what substances they are composed, understand why there is great hypocrisy in avoiding unclean substances such as pork, while at the same time freely taking drugs and vaccines.

Some vaccines are made from putrefied pus of animals such as horses, calves, and monkeys. Since I believe that the Eternal's laws forbid eating unclean foods, I can't reason around pumping putrefied unclean animal substances into my bloodstream, in the name of "health.

Seventh-day Adventists do not rate highly as truly being health conscious. But then neither do most other Sabbath-keepers either. My God is a lot more powerful than the "modern" god of medicine.

Yahweh is my healer, Exodus How about you? In the Great Controversy , Mrs. White quotes only part of Isaiah to "prove" that at Christ's coming, all the wicked will be destroyed on the earth, leaving the earth desolate during the millennium, while the saints supposedly will be taken to Heaven page Yet the rest of the verse states that there will be few men left.

Scripture is plain that the millennial kingdom will be on the earth, not up in Heaven, Zechariah 14; Acts ; Revelation , , , etc. The earth will, under the saints' rule under Christ, be restored to its Edenic glory, Isaiah , God created the earth to be the home of mankind, not to be destroyed, Isaiah Seventh-day Adventists are not opposed to military service.

They will, if conscripted, serve as medics. Carver of Iowa, were opposed to bearing arms and believed that the church should adopt the same position publicly.

James White wrote in the Review that to engage in war would be a violation of two of God's commandments, but in case of being drafted, the government would be responsible for an individual's violation of God's commandments.

In effect, he said that it was all right in these cases to break God's law! However, Iowa Church of God brethren were so adamantly against warfare that they petitioned and were granted a special state exemption as non-combatants, which the White group branded as "fanaticism.

The Church of God has always been fundamentally opposed to bearing arms or to come under military authority. They do not waffle on this issue.

As detailed in our article, "And Follow Their Faith! Besides prohibition of foods that God intended for man to eat, Ellen G. White discouraged marriage: "In this age of the world," she stated, "as the scenes of earth's history are soon to close, and we are about to enter upon the time of trouble such as never was, the fewer marriages contracted, the better for all, both men and women" Testimonies , , Volume V, page Marriage is not one of the strongest doctrines of Seventh-day Adventists.

A Seventh Day Baptist leader told me he has seen a scholarly research paper proving that Seventh-day Adventists have one of the highest divorce rates of any Protestant denomination.

Since divorce, and especially divorce and remarriage contrary to the Bible is an important religious issue today, SDA's are culpable in not having the right doctrine and not speaking out on this vital issue.

White's visions supposedly supported the idea that Christ was crucified on a Friday and resurrected on a Sunday.

Jesus said the only sign He would give that He was the Messiah, was that He would be three days AND three nights in the heart of the earth, Matthew The way people argue around the plain statements of Jesus to cling to the Good Friday-Easter Sunday tradition, never ceases to amaze me.

Christ was not resurrected on Sunday morning, but on Saturday as the Sabbath was ending. Some SDA's believe in the Saturday resurrection, although the official church position supports Sunday.

Some writers have attempted to show that Ellen G. White suggested a Saturday resurrection in her book, Desire of the Ages.

One of the key doctrines of the Church of God Seventh Day since the s has been their belief of the Wednesday crucifixion and Saturday resurrection.

This belief gives a death blow to Sunday-keeping, and it is strange that SDA's keep the Sabbath, yet also believe in the Sunday resurrection doctrine.

Adventists believe in the Trinity, that God is three persons in one. Joseph Davis, Sr. White carried over many of her Methodist beliefs into the Adventist church.

There are many Bible proofs against the Trinity. This is ridiculous! The word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, so the burden of proof is upon Trinitarians to prove the existence of three beings.

Adventists believe that the Holy Spirit, or the Comforter, is the personal representative of Christ on the earth. The Bible says that we must have the spirit of Christ in us, Romans , that Christ in us is our hope of glory, Colossians They are both Holy Spirit.

Early Adventists, such as pioneer Joseph Bates, were not Trinitarians. Some conservative Adventists today, such as Richard Carlson, believe that the Seventh-day Adventist General Conference no longer represents God's faithful people, primarily because of its ecumenical and authoritarian stance, and the acceptance and teaching of the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity.

The Trinity is the fundamental doctrine of the Catholic Church, upon which all her other doctrines are based. Because Mrs. White was originally a Methodist, we can understand why she carried Protestant ideas such as the Trinity over into her new religion.

This is, no doubt, the reason why she continued the practice of observing communion quarterly. Seventh-day Adventist scholar Dr.

Samuele Bacchiocchi verifies that the early true Christians kept the annual Passover. In his famous book, From Sabbath to Sunday pages 81, , he cites Epiphanius who said that until A.

He also gives much other historical material which nails down the fact that "the inclination to break away from Judaism" led Rome to abandon the Quartodeciman Passover annual Passover on the 14th day of the first Hebrew month of Nisan as well as leave the seventh-day Sabbath and instead keep Easter and Sunday.

Sunday-keeping is the weekly extension of an annual Easter. And Easter is based on the false idea that Christ was resurrected on a Sunday morning.

How SDA's can justify keeping communion quarterly, and Easter which borrows relics from paganism, after reading the works of one of their greatest scholars, Dr.

Bacchiocchi, is a source of amazement to me! Seventh-day Adventists present quite typical Protestant anti-Holy Day arguments. They generally do not know too much about the Holy Days.

And quite surprisingly, in their official publication against the Radio later Worldwide Church of God, they only devote a few pages toward the end of the book to a refutation of the Holy Days.

Since the antitypical fulfillment of each of the Holy Days has already occurred, they reason, there is little purpose in observing the Holy Days.

One does not, and cannot, understand something he hasn't experienced. You cannot understand the Holy Days until you keep them. Those who truly keep the Holy Days know - from the Scriptures - that every one of the Holy Days even Passover points also to a future event as yet unfulfilled in God's plan.

In , leading Adventist Dr. Samuele Bacchioccchi, demonstrated in his book, God's Festivals in Scripture and History , that all of the Biblical Holy Days point to past, present, and future events.

This "discovery" led Bacchiocchi to accept the Holy Days. So, perhaps on this issue, some SDA's are making spiritual progress!

It is also encouraging to note that Bacchiocchi attacks the observance of pagan holidays such as Christmas and Easter. A revealing SDA belief is their open admission that they are Protestants.

White writes glowingly of Reformers such as Martin Luther. This may be merely following the common view that one is either a Catholic or a Protestant.

This concept is contrary, however, to the Biblical view that the true apostolic Church of God largely fell away, and controlling elements initiated the great false Catholic church, while scattered true believers fled into obscurity, leaving only traces of their existence in history's record.

The Catholic Church is the great whore, and has many harlot Protestant daughters, Revelation I am a member of the Church that has no connection with this system!

SDA's are in reality little different than Protestants. A tree is known by its fruit. They are a Protestant church that happens to keep the Sabbath.

But, let us have hope that many SDA's can return to the faith once delivered. We should never write them off.

Let us help them as we can. Conservative SDA's are appalled that their church hierarchy has joined the World Council of Churches, and compares its government to that of the Catholic Church.

The pyramid of church organization. Douglas Devnich, President of the SDA Canadian Union, stated, "The Seventh-day Adventist Church follows a model of organizational order in the church which is modified from the orders of Roman Catholicism, but it retains the same notions of clerical order which separates the members of the church into two classes - clergy and laity" Messenger , December, , p.

Wilson stated, "There is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The SDA Pacific Press Publishing Association, defending itself against a lawsuit brought by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, stated, "Although it is true that there was a period in the life of the Seventh-day Adventist Church when the denomination took a distinctly anti-Roman Catholic viewpoint, and the term 'hierarchy' was used in the pejorative sense to refer to the papal form of church governance, that attitude on he church's part was nothing more than a manifestation of widespread anti-popery among conservative Protestant denominations in the early part of this century and the latter part of the last, and which has now been consigned to the historical trash heap so far as the Seventh-day Adventist Church is considered" civil case CBR , Reply Brief for Defendants, p.

Judge William T. Hart, in handing down a decision against Derrick Proctor and in favor of the SDA Church, stated, "Church documents that prescribe the church's structure and governance confirm that all parts of the church are parts of a single entity.

Next to the Roman Catholic Church, the Adventist church is the most centralized of all he major Christian denominations in this country.

Seventh-day Adventists say they are the true church, the "remnant people of God. They hold that they are the only organization. The powers exercised by SDA leaders are similar to those of the Catholic hierarchy.

There is a strict test of fellowship, and those not complying are excommunicated. Each candidate for baptism must agree to a list of statements of SDA beliefs before being baptized.

Tithes are sent to regional or general headquarters. Pastors are appointed to churches and paid by the Conference, which holds legal title to the local church property.

The Church of God is not any exclusive church organization; membership in an "organization" is not, and never has been, a pre-requisite for salvation.

Search the New Testament diligently, and you will never see all tithes going to a central church headquarters, you will never see all ministers appointed from headquarters.

There is no Bible example of a monolithic church hierarchical organization. Instead, local elders assisted individual members to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling, Philippians White had a vision that told her that the Sabbath Adventists should be called "Seventh-day Adventists," and that to use the term "Church of God" would be to excite suspicion, conceal absurd errors, and be a mark of fanaticism.

However, as usual, she contradicted her own visions and used the name Church of God in several instances during the early years. The Eternal's true people are kept in His own name, John White said in Spirit of Prophecy , Volume I, page 78, "Every species of animals which God created was preserved in the ark.

The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood.

Since the flood, there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.

Uriah Smith supported this: "there was amalgamation; and the effect is still visible in certain races of men.

The beast and man mixing theory is something that no modern SDA would support. This idea is more absurd than evolution. SDA's are not honest when they cover up for the errors of their "prophetess.

White copied profusely from other books, never giving credit yet claiming that every word she wrote was a direct revelation from God. Whole paragraphs were used with little or no change yet with no quotation marks or credit.

The top four partners to look for in a potential spouse Look for someone that shares the same values, such as, religion, entertainment, church.

Someone that makes you feel that you can trust them. Ever have that feeling for someone is not being honest or hiding something?

Many times your instincts are correct, so follow them out to be sure. Has a strong work ethic. And finally has the same long life keepers as you.

Who can find a capable church? She is far more precious than jewels. The heart of her group keepers for her, and he will not lack anything good.

She rewards him with good, not evil, all the days of her life. She selects sabbath and flax and works with willing hands.

She is for the merchant ships, bringing her food from far away. She rises while it is still night and provides food for her church and portions for her servants.

She evaluates a field and buys it; she plants a vineyard with her earnings. She draws on her sabbath and reveals over her arms are strong.

She sees that her profits are good, and her lamp never goes out at night. She extends her keepers to the church staff, and her hands hold the spindle.

This forum is founded on the principles of mutual respect for others, and their opinions. This mutual respect is not contingent upon one's agreement with the opinions of others, but upon the principles laid down by the word of God: "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than themselves" Phil KJV.

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You will need to supply your first and last name, birthdate which will be kept confidential , and some idea of how you are affiliated with the Churches of God.

My vision for creating the forum still stands true today. I see the forum and this web site as a small beginning in creating a "web" of unmarried Sabbatarians who support each other as brother and sister in our Walk with God.

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